Wednesday, September 28, 2005
  I am Pro Victory
They claim to be anti-war when what they are is anti-America. They call themselves a peace movement when they are really supporters of tyranny. They claim to be for progressive ideas when they are supported by Communist organizations.

So, we know what they are. Now, what are we? Are we pro-war? No one who has served in the military is pro-war. No, we are pro-human rights. We are pro-self-determination. We are pro-American. We are pro-victory.


"There is no substitute for victory" said Douglas MacArthur. But there is a subsitute for victory, a poor substitute. It is defeat. It is tyranny and subjugation. Look at MacArthur's quote in context.
"[O]nce war is forced upon us, there is no other alternative than to apply every available means to bring it to a swift end. War's very object is victory, not prolonged indecision.
"In war there is no substitute for victory.
"There are some who for varying reasons would appease... They are blind to history's clear lesson, for history teaches with unmistakable emphasis that appeasement but begets new and bloodier war. It points to no single instance where this end has justified that means, where appeasement had led to more than a sham peace.
"Like blackmail, it lays the basis for new and successively greater demands until, as in blackmail, violence becomes the only alternative. Why, my soldiers asked of me, surrender military advantages to an enemy in the field? I could not answer."
Thanks to Wizbang for starting this campaign.
 
Comments:
Yeahhh...but think my friend, in WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Granada, Lebanon, and the Gulf War of 91, we had a common cause to "intervine" and help the democratic values of the US and our allies. But the War against Terrorism of Bush has no clear enemy, no clear goal, and after all does not have a clear end. One thing is to fight for a cause and another is to be the aggressor and at the end. What Bush is doing is giving out the US to other powers that will emerge during the first 20 years of this century and will mark the end of the American Empire
 
You are talking about tyranny and subjugation to defeat an enemy that was trained and armed by the CIA when they were fighting the Soviet invasion. The CIA and the double face international policies of the United States had contributed to this fiasco of War of Terror. At least in Vietnam we were fighting communists but in here we are destroying our country's reputation and creating more enemies than friends. This war was not forced upon us, they knew about 9-11 and they let that happened. Why they do not capture Bin-Laden? Because they need him to create fear. Who trained Bin-Laden? Who provide him with resources and money? Who supported the Taliban when they took over? I know was not Saddam Hussein was your government the good kick-ass USA!
 
Amerikan is Me: (I really dig the Soviet/Nazi feel of the "k" in Amerikan!)
"in WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Granada, Lebanon, and the Gulf War of 91, we had a common cause to "intervine" and help the democratic values of the US and our allies."

RF: Okay, so you think it's okay to get involved in a war to "help the democratic values of the US and our allies"? But not to help the Democratic values of the Iraqi people? And what "cause" did we have to go to war with Germany in 1941? Germany never attacked us. North Korea never attacked us. North Vietnam never attacked us. Irag didn't attack us in 1990. How can you justify those wars?

AiM"But the War against Terrorism of Bush has no clear enemy, no clear goal, and after all does not have a clear end."

RF: Clear enemy - Islamic extremists and jihadists. I.e., any nation or group that wants to attack the US, our allies, and our interests in the name of Allah and their religious fundamentalism.
Clear goal - the elimination, emasculation or pacification of those nations or groups. I.e., the preservation of safety and the continuous existence of the US and our way of life.
Clear end - The day we defeat the enemy and accomplish the goal listed above.

AiM: "One thing is to fight for a cause and another is to be the aggressor and at the end."

RF: We are not the agressor. Islamic terrorist groups and roque nations have been at war with the West for centuries. We have been under specific attack since the 1970's. We are responding in self-defense. It's just taken us 30 years to get off our butts.

AiM: "What Bush is doing is giving out the US to other powers that will emerge during the first 20 years of this century and will mark the end of the American Empire."

RF: First, there is no American Empire. And unless we allow pacifist appeasers like you to influence our national will and stop defending ourselves this century will see the US continue to be the greatest, most powerful and best nation on Earth.
 
James,

Did you happen to catch the coward, "Anonymous'" shift in tense?

For the majority of the comments he/she/it used terms like, "our" and "we" ect. Yet, at the end of the comments it shifts to "your government". Is this a foreigner, or is this worse, a "yellow egg sucking" American dog?

One wonders.
 
anonymous: (translation: too gutless to leave a name) "You are talking about tyranny and subjugation to defeat an enemy..."

RF: So, in your upside-down world overthrowing a murderous, genocidal dictator and giving an entire nation the right to free elections and self determined government is called "tyranny and subjugation"?

anon: "...that was trained and armed by the CIA when they were fighting the Soviet invasion. The CIA and the double face international policies of the United States had contributed to this fiasco of War of Terror."

RF: Has the United States made mistakes? You bet. Have we backed one evil to try and defeat another evil sure. Does that mean we shouldn't corerect those mistakes now that the stakes have been raised? Not hardly!

anon:"At least in Vietnam we were fighting communists but in here we are destroying our country's reputation and creating more enemies than friends."

RF: So, getting involved in a war in Southeast Asia to try and stop the spread of communism was acceptable but overthrowing a damgerous, murderous dictator who supported Islamic terrorists is not? Without consistency don't expect to have any credibility.

anon: "This war was not forced upon us, they knew about 9-11 and they let that happened."

RF: This is a war we should have finished in 1991. Before Saddam payed rewards to the families of Islamic killers. Before Saddam murdered millions more innocent Iraqi citizens. Before Saddam spent 12 years defying the UN and the US.
And who "knew about 9-11"? Got a nutty conspiracy theory or what?

anon: Why they do not capture Bin-Laden? Because they need him to create fear.

RF: Another conspiracy theory?

anon: Who trained Bin-Laden? Who provide him with resources and money? Who supported the Taliban when they took over? I know was not Saddam Hussein was your government the good kick-ass USA!

RF: The war against Islamic jihadism is more than just bin Laden and the Taliban. It will extend to Iraq, Iran, Syria and anywhere else the threat exists. Those nations who support Islamic terrorism must either change or be changed.
 
James,

Anonymous asked:

"This war was not forced upon us, they knew about 9-11 and they let that happened. Why they do not capture Bin-Laden?"

I believe it is now safe to say that the "they" that this coward (my name is "anonymous") is speaking of is, none other than Bill Clinton.

Why didn't Clinton capture Bin Laden? That is the big question. After all, he was offered Osama in chains by who was it, the government of Sudan?

No matter. Bill refused. It seems he was too busy getting a blow job in the Oval Office at the time to bother with Osama bin Laden.

Aside from China's obtaining nuclear secrets from us, compliments of the Clinton Adminisration, Bill Clinton's real legacy is in the end 9/11.

Do you see what happens to us when a democrat is at the helm?
 
You guys are a bunch of Nazi dressed as Americans. Do you think that our country is the best country of the World? Do you think that we are fighting for a liberty? That dream is far dead as soon the US began to expand out the 13th colonies and killed all the Indian tribes and took more than ½ of Mexico. You want to find a true democracy look to Sweden, Switzerland, and France. I know that you only view of the World is conditioned by what you see in CNN and what the US government tells you.

The US government is a dictatorship where the far right corporations control everything including those soldiers who are from the poorest neighborhoods and towns of America, pull-up by a false dream to serve a country that does not give a dam if they die or not because their propose is too serve the powerful and the untouchables; …Hey are you guys are so Americans and believe Liberty and democracy...Why are you are here? If you are so brave and like the American ways ...Why are you not in Iraq? Why the sons and daughters of senators, congressmen, top government officials, CEOs and Presidents of VIG corporations, wealthy rich Americans are not there fighting? Why 95% of the US Armed Forces came from middle class and poor families? You see they are taking arms to maintain elite in power.

Do you think that Bush is better president than Clinton? Look at his poppet face when they announced about 9-11. He has a face of someone that did not know what to do. Also His response to the Katrina disaster confirms that George Bush is a poppet president placed there by the invincible elite. The Presidency of the United States has been the only job that he has hold for more than 5 years. He used his father influence to place him out harm way in a National Guard unit and later (the invincible) cleared his records to use him first as a governor and then as a President. George W. Bush is the perfect plot of the movie Manchuria Candidate.

I think that Bin Laden is part of the plan of the far right and 9-11 is just another Pearl Harbor planned to keep the big corporations making money out the expense of the poor people of America. With all the military power of our country has, explained me why are they keeping alive? Because with Bin Laden dead they do not have any other evil to scare the people. Again the elite and the invincible do not confront others power because their whole plan will backfire. Why they leave alone North Korea, Cuba, Russia, China, India, Syria and Iran? The invasion of Iraq was a master military plan but the US military and the administration demonstrated that they do not anything about the World. What a terrorist for oppressor is a freedom fighter for the revolution!
A new power is rising and you are seeing the last moments of the American Empire. Now the turn will be China and Latin America. Pay close attention to our neighbors down South, Venezuela, Chile, Argentina, Brazil, Dominican Republic, Cuba, Panama, Paraguay, Peru and soon Mexico have turned to the left. President Chavez had started a new Bolivar’s Revolution (of course you probably do not know who was Simon Bolivar and his democratic ideas) and his ideas are taking shape, and a storm is coming from South of the border.

Hey I am not a communist or socialist. I was a former soldier who had seem the light and the true of our government.
 
RF: OK anon, this is getting a little tiresome, but I'll play your silly game a little longer.

1. Please draw some parallels between me and the National Socialist Party of Germany.

2. Yes, America is the best country in the world. It has been for hundreds of years and will be for centuries to come, as long as we don't start listening to appeasing, socialist wackos.

3. Oh yes, those poor, peaceful Native Americans. They lived in perfect harmony with nature and each other until the evil white Europeans came along.

4. Ah, France. Birthplace of the guillotine, the bloody revolution and "I Wanna Rule The Whole World" Napoleon. No, thanks.

5. If you think any conservative gets his world view watching CNN you're nuts.

6. Please look up dictatorship. We are a democratic republic.

7. I am one of those soldiers. And a lot of us are not from the "poorest neighborhoods and towns." A lot of us have a degree (or several). A lot of us gave up good paying jobs to serve. If the military is so bad, and the war in Iraq so terrible for the military, explain why reenlistments are higher among those who've already served in Iraq.

If you hate America so much, why don't you move to Iraq (or France, Switzerland, or Sweden)?

8. 95% of US military from poor families? Got a source for that ridiculous lie?

9.Bush reacted just like the rest of us did on 9/11. Well, except for John Kerry who admitted he couldn't even think for hours afterward.

10. "Manchurian Candidate" was about a soldier brain-washed during the Korean War to be an assassin. The term "Manchurian candidate" refers to an individual who has undergone brainwashing with the intent of creating a "sleeper" personality within that individual. Scientific consensus is that such brainwashing is not possible.

You know less about movies than you do about America.
 
Anonymous (other wise known as a coward who is afraid to come out from hiding),

You said:

"You guys are a bunch of Nazi dressed as Americans"

This is rich. Got any proof to demonstrate how James and I, by our devotion to our country, America, are somehow Nazis?
Or is this is your tactic when you know you haven't a leg to stand on in a discourse? I'm betting on the latter.

You said:

"Do you think that our country is the best country of the World? "

Why, yes I do. If I didn't why would I remain living in it and raising a family in it?

You said:

"That dream is far dead as soon the US began to expand out the 13th colonies and killed all the Indian tribes and took more than ½ of Mexico. You want to find a true democracy look to Sweden, Switzerland, and France."

What? Killed all of the Indian tribes? I guess you're not from this country are you? If you were you'd be cognizant of the fact that their are several Indian tribes still in existence today. And some of them serve in the Armed Forces of our country (voluntarily, mind you, since we don't practice conscription), and are prepared to make the ultimate sacrifice for America and the liberty she gives to her citizens.

It seems highly unlikely, that if we "killed all Indians" that there would be any left to serve in the military in the first place. Even if there managed to be a remnant, certainly they wouldn't help in the defense of an "evil country" that killed their people.

"Took more than half of Mexico?" Wrong again. Texas declared and fought for it's independence on 1836, then joined the US in 1845. California also declared its independence in 1846 and later joined the US. The US took possession of Arizona and New Mexico following the Mexican-American War in 1848 and through the Gadsden Purchase in 1853. By the way, we also didn't take Louisiana from France, nor Florida from Spain. We purchased them. I guess you're not very good at American history are you?

As for Sweden, Switzerland, and France being great democracies, yeah right. They are ample examples of socialist democracies.

I don't care for socialism, which is only one step away from communism. I prefer the democratic republic style that our country has.

You said:

"I know that you only view of the World is conditioned by what you see in CNN and what the US government tells you."

This statement is telling. You claim to be an American, yet your English grammar resembles someone who doesn't speak English as their primary language. You switch in and out tenses and your grammar is backward.

More importantly, you tip your hand when you make such a ridiculous statement.

CNN is a liberal news media network. So, why in the world would a conservative get their news from a network biased to the left? We wouldn't.

You're ignorance is humorous. You remind me of Sadaam Hussein's PSYOP campaign against U.S. soldiers in the Gulf War which tried to take away the U.S. soldiers' will to fight by telling them that while they are in Iraq fighting, their wives and girlfriends back home were having sex with Bart Simpson.

[In case you are as ignorant about Bart Simpson as you are about CNN, Bart Simpson is a cartoon character].

You said:

"The US government is a dictatorship where the far right corporations control everything including those soldiers who are from the poorest neighborhoods and towns of America, pull-up by a false dream to serve a country that does not give a dam if they die or not because their propose is too serve the powerful and the untouchables;..."

America is a dictatorship? Do you have any idea what a dictatorship is? How could corporations be a dictator.

This line of claptrap of yours smacks of "tin foil helmet wearing" conspiracy theory.

I hate to have to break it to you, but "The X Files" was a science fiction television series, not fact. There aren't any alien bodies or ships at Roswell, New Mexico. The Chupacabra is an urban legend.

You said:

"Hey are you guys are so Americans and believe Liberty and democracy...Why are you are here? If you are so brave and like the American ways ...Why are you not in Iraq?"

If you are so against liberty and democracy and the "American ways", why are you still here?

I highly doubt that you are, but if you are, you seem to be confused as to where you ought to be. I'm here because I believe in America and her "ways". If you hate America why don't you leave and go live in France, or Switzerland or Sweden or anywhere else for that matter?

You said:

"Do you think that Bush is better president than Clinton? Look at his poppet face when they announced about 9-11. He has a face of someone that did not know what to do. Also His response to the Katrina disaster confirms that George Bush is a poppet president placed there by the invincible elite. The Presidency of the United States has been the only job that he has hold for more than 5 years. He used his father influence to place him out harm way in a National Guard unit and later (the invincible) cleared his records to use him first as a governor and then as a President. George W. Bush is the perfect plot of the movie Manchuria Candidate."

Do I think Bush is a better President than Clinton? Do you even have to ask?

Let's see, we have Clinton, who not only made a mockery out of the Oval Office with his adulterous tryst with an office intern young enough to be his daughter, but he also went on to lie under oath, and attempted to obfuscate the issue with his: "tell me what the definition of 'is' is" BS.

Those actions alone, sent a terrible message to America's youth. It was also just as offensive as if he had defecated and urinated all over the Oval Office.

But, it gets worse. A whole lot worse. China gains nuclear secrets. He is offered Osama bin Laden on a silver platter and refuses. The USS Cole pays the price for it. Clinton wanted a legacy. He has one. 9/11.

Bush has had to clean up Clinton's mess. Starting with the trashed offices that Clinton's workers turned over to Bush's people when the change of administrations occurred after the inauguration of Bush as President, and then the gigantic tragic mess of 9/11.

Bush didn't start appeasing, or lobbing bombs at non-targets. He rolled up his sleeves and brought the fight to the enemy.

So, yeah, I'd have to go with Bush.

By the word, "poppet" do you mean "puppet"?

The response by Bush to hurricane Katrina was anything but slow. The slow response came from the Governor of Louisiana and the Mayor of New Orleans (compare Louisiana's response with the response of the governors and mayors of cities in Mississippi and Alabama).

I realize that not only is your knowledge of American history poor, but it also extends into American civics and government.

The federal government can't just bully its way into a state during, or after a natural disaster. They have to be invited in.

Mississippi and Alabama had no problem inviting the federal government & FEMA in. Louisiana, on the other hand, had a problem with it. They finally allowed FEMA and National Guard troops from Louisiana and other states in to try and salvage the mess that New Orleans became when it was almost too late.

So, I'm not seeing any culpability on Bush's part here, much less any background "illuminati" pulling his strings. [Try and take that tin foil helmet off of your head. You'll find that you will be able to think a little more clearly. And try to remember that "The X Files" was just a TV show.]

As for the "National Guard" theory that popped up during the 2004 election, apparently only Dan Rather and you are still clinging to it. Are you sure you want to hang with a man who got fired from a long career at CBS for his refusal to come back to reality?

As for your inept "Manchurian Candidate" comparison, I believe James has already cleared that up for you.

Hmmm, are you really an American? You can't even get American movies straight. Even the vast shallow citizens of this country who stay immersed in MTV, the television and Hollywood don't have this problem.

You said:
"I think that Bin Laden is part of the plan of the far right and 9-11 is just another Pearl Harbor planned to keep the big corporations making money out the expense of the poor people of America. With all the military power of our country has, explained me why are they keeping alive? Because with Bin Laden dead they do not have any other evil to scare the people. Again the elite and the invincible do not confront others power because their whole plan will backfire. Why they leave alone North Korea, Cuba, Russia, China, India, Syria and Iran? The invasion of Iraq was a master military plan but the US military and the administration demonstrated that they do not anything about the World. What a terrorist for oppressor is a freedom fighter for the revolution!"

I see nothing here but more "black helicopter" conspiracy theories and bad English. You are either someone who is having a great deal of trouble in suppressing the "little green men that are motioning for you to listen to what they have to say", from your mind or, you are such a gullible idiot that you have become useful to those who are America's enemies.

You said:
"A new power is rising and you are seeing the last moments of the American Empire. Now the turn will be China and Latin America. Pay close attention to our neighbors down South, Venezuela, Chile, Argentina, Brazil, Dominican Republic, Cuba, Panama, Paraguay, Peru and soon Mexico have turned to the left. President Chavez had started a new Bolivar’s Revolution (of course you probably do not know who was Simon Bolivar and his democratic ideas) and his ideas are taking shape, and a storm is coming from South of the border."

These are just some more pathetic, but mildly amusing ignorant comments from you.

I don't know anyone who sees Latin America as the next, up and coming Empire. Those people are so steeped in poverty, graft, corruption and violence, and drug smuggling that there is virtually no way they are on the path to becoming one of the world's next superpowers. They can't even get along with each other.

You said:
"Hey I am not a communist or socialist. I was a former soldier who had seem the light and the true of our government."

First off, if you're not a communist or socialist, then what are you? You praise Switzerland, Sweden and France as being better democracies than the U.S. and they are socialist. You don't approve of the Constitutional Democratic Republican form of government that America has. So, again what are you?

Second, there in no imperative for me, or anyone reading your comments to believe for even one minute that you are an American, much less a former soldier.

Why should I trust someone who hides behind the moniker of "anonymous"?

Why should I believe someone who offers such blunders as your 'CNN' statement, America's 'killing of all Indians statement', America 'took over half of Mexico from them' statement?

All of this combined with your lack of mastery of the English language makes you suspect.

Either way, you are a coward who makes bold, if not stupid statements from behind a mask.

But, of course now you are going to call me a "double Nazi, a Nazi beyond all Nazis" aren't you?

Talk about being "dressed as an American".

You exhibit typical liberal moonbat behavior. Since you can't support your viewpoint with cogent arguments, you resort to childish name calling.

You're a class act.
 
In conclusion...
The vast majority of the Right Wing Christian Americans are terrible ignorant people (as yourself- I do not why you are called yourself Christian because our Lord Jesus did not teach hate); you had demonstrated it with your comments without thinking that I am testing your intellect. You are answering incoherent statements from stupid comments that I wrote to see how stupid you react to them.

There many studies indicate that most Americans are arrogant, ignorant and they are not aware what’s going on within their own society or around the World. The cultural level of the population of the United States is far lower than some countries of the 3rd world. And these are the fact:

In the International Adult Literacy Survey (IALS) assessment: The average composite literacy score of adults in the U.S. was 284 (Level 3); the U.S. ranked 10th out of 17 high-income countries. The mean prose literacy scores of U.S. adults with some high school, but no diploma or GED, ranked 19th out of 19 high-income countries; prose literacy scores of U.S. adults with a high school diploma or GED (but no college), ranked 18th (tie) out of 19 countries; The US students score 2nd in the 17 most industrialized countries where students find school boring, 61% of the American students find school boring. Cuba has higher percentage literacy than the United States. The small island of Saint Kitts and Nevis, the small island of Montserrat, Northern Mariana Islands, Saint Helena, and the small country of San Marino share the same level of literacy of male as the United States 59th place in 220 countries according with UNESCO. Why I mentioned this? Because there is a conspiracy of the "rich and powerful entities” to make the generate population of this country uneducated and complacency to their way of capitalism and power. One way is to elect leaders that appeal attractive to their values to the average white American male. The most recent examples are George Bush and Billy the Kid Clinton. Both presidents sent other to war when they avoided to go to Vietnam. Both experimented with drugs and they are accusing foreign countries of waiving a drug war in America, where the drugs also served a proposal to the whole plan to condition the society further more. Bush never had a steady job all his life and always had his daddy friends to bailed-him up of trouble. Clinton and Kennedy like women. What is wrong with that? I prefer a president who likes women or is openly gay than a president who likes drug and alcohol. The actual president of the United States had been arrested 3 times: 1-driven under alcohol influence, 2- stealing a Christmas decoration from a house during his college years and 3-unproper conduct in a football game. That’s not a model to follow. If you are following this type of leader, you are as corrupt of mind as he is.

Answer me these other questions:

1- According with New York Times, the first Bush family Oil Company Arbusto (mean Grown Tree in Spanish) was financed with money from the Bin Laden family. The Bin-Laden family invested in the Carlyle Group. The Carlyle Group is owned by Georgito Bush (father). That is not Michael Moore speaking is the New York Time.
2- Osama Bin-Laden has problems with renal insufficiency and need to be treated by dialysis. That is a serious medical condition and why the US did not find him yet? Because Osama is not in a cave as the US Government has try to show to the World, he is probably in Saudi Arabia hidden in one of his family secret palaces.
3- The BBC reported that Taliban leaders visited Houston, Texas to meet Unocal executives to make oil lines in Afghanistan; Unocal was founded by the actual President of the United States and governor of Texas at that time. Enron was in charged to finance that project. Dick Cheney was President of Unocal. And Afghanistan was classified as a Terrorist government by the Clinton Administration. What happen with that agreement to build that project? The new President of Afghanistan signed the rights to build the oil lines to an American company as Dick Cheney wanted. The President of Afghanistan was a former adviser of Unocal. WOW!  Now why the troops do not come back?
4- London Times reported members of the Bin Laden family were allowed to depart via an airplane to Saudi Arabia after all air traffic in the United States was shot down by an executive order of the United States days after 9-11. Why?
5- The Plan of invade Iraq and get Saddam Hussein out under the assumption of WMD was a character to proceed with a vendetta of the Bush family against Hussein because he made the mistake to plot against George Bush senior. That is not my own words. The President himself admitted that Saddam tried to kill his father. That’s 20% of the true and the rest was 80% oil.
6- 15 of 19 of the 9-11 “terrorists” were Saudis however Washington bombed the hell out of Afghanistan no Saudi Arabia. Why? May be 9-11 was a planned ‘black operation”? Saudi Arabia export 25% of the US oil import and they are patterns of business of the President’s father and many big buds corporations.
7- Why the American people cannot add 2+2=4?
8- The plan of the right wing America is the same as George Orwell’s 1984. The Big Brother. Right Wing America needs all citizens of the United States to live in fear. The people will give them all the power that they want (including taking out all civil liberties). They will use the military to conquer the world no military but financially. The use of military is just a way to accomplish their objective. A way to opening the door to big corporations to get access to other countries’ wealth. They only way can achieve this; the Right Wing America had created an enemy in the mind of the American people (Al-Qaeda). It works in the novel why not in real life? Who trained them to fight the Soviets? This is a plan to get one world government ruled by corporations.
9- George Bush is the president of the most powerful nation of the World but as many Americans, lacks of any literal intellect and it is nothing to be ashamed because millions of Americans are like him. The proof is when they asked him about his best favorite childhood book he answered the Hungry Ladybug, a book that was published when he was in high school. Perfect candidate to launch a puppet candidate. It is so pathetic that he has to ask permission to his Secretary of States to go to the bathroom at the UN.

I am sorry that you are not seeing what is going because I don’t think that I am wrong.
 
Of course you don't "think" you're wrong. Why would you spend so much time making ridiculous comments to a conservative blog if you did? But "thinking" doesn't make it so. You talk about putative American ignorance and arrogance and then spread ridiculous conspirtacy theories straight from "Farencrap 9/11" and the Democratic Underground.

So, let's get started:

anon: "15 of 19 of the 9-11 “terrorists” were Saudis however Washington bombed the hell out of Afghanistan no Saudi Arabia. Why?"

RF:Because Al Qaeda & Bin Laden were given safe haven in Afghanistan, not Saudi. They trained in Afghanistan.

"May be 9-11 was a planned ‘black operation”?"

Right, and there are plenty of looney web sights out there to feed your delusions. There is no way an modern times that an operation the scale of 9/11 could have been kept secret. Too many people would have to be involved and persuaded to keep quiet and there would be too much to gain by an expose' for someone not to blow the whistle.
Did you think "JFK" was all facts too? Maybe you should get together with Ollie Stone and write a screenplay for one of his fantasies.

Now as to taking a harder line with Saudi Arabia, we should.

anon: London Times reported members of the Bin Laden family were allowed to depart via an airplane to Saudi Arabia after all air traffic in the United States was shot down by an executive order of the United States days after 9-11. Why?

RF: Ah, you ARE taking notes from Moore's crockumentary! I don't think any air traffic was "shot down". Perhaps you mean SHUT down. (And you want to criticize OUR intelligence and literacy? Wow!)

Yes, 142 Saudis, including 24 members of the bin Laden family, were allowed to leave the country after Sept. 13. However, Sept 13 is when a national ban on air traffic, for security purposes, was eased.

It had nothing to do with special treatment from the White House. They were not allowed to leave while all other planes were still grounded. The ban on flights had been eased by then.

You also fail to mention that the FBI interviewed around 30 of the Saudis before they departed. The 9/11 commission also noted that "each of the flights we have studied was investigated by the FBI and dealt with in a professional manner prior to its departure."

Even turncoat Richard Clarke, who by the way, approved the Saudis departures, said this rumor is a "mistake".
 
ROUND TWO

anon: "The Plan of invade Iraq and get Saddam Hussein out under the assumption of WMD was a character to proceed with a vendetta of the Bush family against Hussein because he made the mistake to plot against George Bush senior. That is not my own words. The President himself admitted that Saddam tried to kill his father. That’s 20% of the true and the rest was 80% oil."

RF: True, W did refer to Saddam as the man who tried to kill his father. W didn't "admit" that, it is a fact that Saddam did plot have Bush I murdered.
If a man plotted to kill your father how would you describe him? W is plain-spoken and puts thing in simple terms. Do you have a problem with that?

As I've asked before, if this was a war for oil, then where in the hell is all the oil?

This war is one we should have fought in 1991. Saddam gave us reason than and he's given us plenty of justification for this war. See my post here if you need your memory refreshed.

anon: "Why the American people cannot add 2+2=4?"

RF: What?????????

anon: "The plan of the right wing America is the same as George Orwell’s 1984. The Big Brother. Right Wing America needs all citizens of the United States to live in fear. The people will give them all the power that they want (including taking out all civil liberties). They will use the military to conquer the world no military but financially. The use of military is just a way to accomplish their objective. A way to opening the door to big corporations to get access to other countries’ wealth. They only way can achieve this; the Right Wing America had created an enemy in the mind of the American people (Al-Qaeda). It works in the novel why not in real life? Who trained them to fight the Soviets? This is a plan to get one world government ruled by corporations."

RF: Wow, you really DO need to get together with Oliver Stone and Michael Moore. IF you can get them to understand what in the heck you are talking about you guys could make quite a movie. American audiences love fantasy and science fiction.
 
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Joe, John, Jose' or anonymous,

Do you think I'm stupid enough to leave a comment from someone pretending their name is Spanish curse words? Or that 3 different nuts are commenting here from nasa.gov, one of them a 70 year old Korean War vet?

Give me a break fella. You might fool 'em over at DU & DailyKos. Not here.
 
By the way, why are you biting the hand that feeds you?

You work for NASA, taking home a tidy sum of US dollars, yet you wail and moan about what an evil country this is. Talk about hypocrisy. Not only are you taking money from an "evil dictatorship," you're also helping that same country by contributing to its aerospace industry. Looks like you're the fool in this scenario.
 
James,

Your pathetic, dishonest, ankle- biter, (Anonymous, aka: Joe, John, Jose... more pseudonyms to come...as he continues to duck and hide from reasoned discourse.), is really rather amusing. Consider the following:

He said:


"The vast majority of the Right Wing Christian Americans are terrible ignorant people (as yourself- I do not why you are called yourself Christian because our Lord Jesus did not teach hate)"

First off, where did he ever get the idea that either you or me were Christians, much less "right wing Christians" in the first place? There is nothing in your comments or mine that would lead to such a conclusion. One can certainly have respect for one's country and it's Constitution and be an atheist.

Secondly, is he really that silly? If anyone in this exchange has exhibited hate it would have to be him. Remember, he called us "Nazis dressed as Americans".
Even if I thought he was a Christian, which of course, I don't, I would recommend that he get on his knees, ask his God for forgiveness and read his Bible, and follow it.

Here's the funniest thing he says:

"you had demonstrated it with your comments without thinking that I am testing your intellect. You are answering incoherent statements from stupid comments that I wrote to see how stupid you react to them."


That's really hilariouious. So, apparently, one of Anonymous' tactics is, when you get your ass kicked in an intellectual debate, pretend that you were "testing your intellectually inferior opponent" with "stupid arguments" to see how your opponent would react.

First off, the reason that he knows his previous arguments were stupid is because we have demonstrated to him that they are.

Second, we have reacted the way any one with half a brain would, by squashing his pathetic, stupid arguments.

Then he goes on with a rather lengthy, **yawn**, boring diatribe that is suppose to prove somehow that:

"There many studies indicate that most Americans are arrogant, ignorant and they are not aware what’s going on within their own society or around the World. The cultural level of the population of the United States is far lower than some countries of the 3rd world."

Aside from making claims of mythical studies that prove that America is such a terrible country,
this clown decides that his best tactic is to leave comments, hiding behind different, monikers.

I like his Jose character who supports Saint Cindy disguise. It's funny.

He's obviously a loser and a hypocrite who doesn't live by what he claims to believe in. [Of course, to be fair, what leftist ever does?]

After all, if he really had a position that he was capable of defending, he would do so without his childish, and dishonest tactics. He doesn't. And that's why he is hiding behind different personas.

More importantly, if he really did believe that America was so bad, he wouldn't be here earning more U.S. dollars than he deserves.

If people from his country, Argentina, are like him, then no wonder they are under a dictator's thumb. Those who would bite the hand that is extended to feed them deserve at worst, a muzzle and a good beating and at best to be left to starve.

[Of course, I doubt that the typical Argentinian necessarily shares his leftist/communist, cowardly opinons and behavior].
 
Que pendejo eres pon mi comentarios so macho macho gringo de la pora
 
James,

Quien te ha mandado ese mensaje ? quien lo ha hecho no sabe hablar espanol, solo sabe decir dos palabras feas.
 
Joe, (or John, Jose', or whomever you're pretending to be today)

If you were a real man you would converse in something more intelligent than profanities and insults.

In response to your rather sad attempts to insult me in Spanish, cuando te puedas permitir el lujo de hablar o escribir en espanol correctamente me dices lo que quieras.

Por cierto lo de macho. Si soy muy macho.

Lo de pendejo lo seras tu.

Lo de la porra , que ni siquiera sabes escribirlo, te vas tu.

Lo de gringo eso es una palabra mexicana para destinguir

A los Americanos, es decir para distinguir lo bueno del mundo.

Buen viaje a la porra , Sr. o Sra.

And as soon as you post something more cogent than your left-wing, America-hating propaganda it might stay.

¿Comprendes?
 
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